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Re: Joint AIAI-DReaM seminar: Mon 2 Nov 2pm - Andras Salamon on formalising complexity theory
- From: Paul Jackson <Paul.Jackson AT ed.ac.uk>
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- Cc: "Andras.Salamon AT st-andrews.ac.uk" <Andras.Salamon AT st-andrews.ac.uk>, "Alan Bundy" <A.Bundy AT ed.ac.uk>
- Subject: Re: Joint AIAI-DReaM seminar: Mon 2 Nov 2pm - Andras Salamon on formalising complexity theory
- Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2026 13:59:05 +0000
Talk starting in under 5 mins! Come along!
From: Paul Jackson <Paul.Jackson AT ed.ac.uk>
Date: Monday, 2 November 2026 at 10:17
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Subject: Re: Joint AIAI-DReaM seminar: Mon 2 Nov 2pm - Andras Salamon on formalising complexity theory
Date: Monday, 2 November 2026 at 10:17
To: aiai-members AT inf.ed.ac.uk <aiai-members AT inf.ed.ac.uk>; LFCS Interest <lfcs-interest AT mlist.is.ed.ac.uk>; 'inf-ianc-talks AT mlist.is.ed.ac.uk' <inf-ianc-talks AT mlist.is.ed.ac.uk>; inf-dreamers AT mlist.is.ed.ac.uk <inf-dreamers AT mlist.is.ed.ac.uk>; inf-seminars AT mlist.is.ed.ac.uk <inf-seminars AT mlist.is.ed.ac.uk>
Cc: Andras.Salamon AT st-andrews.ac.uk <Andras.Salamon AT st-andrews.ac.uk>; Alan Bundy <A.Bundy AT ed.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Joint AIAI-DReaM seminar: Mon 2 Nov 2pm - Andras Salamon on formalising complexity theory
A reminder about the talk at 2pm today in IF MF2 and on Teams:
From: Paul Jackson <Paul.Jackson AT ed.ac.uk>
Date: Monday, 26 October 2026 at 17:58
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Cc: Andras.Salamon AT st-andrews.ac.uk <Andras.Salamon AT st-andrews.ac.uk>; Alan Bundy <A.Bundy AT ed.ac.uk>
Subject: Joint AIAI-DReaM seminar: Mon 2 Nov 2pm - Andras Salamon on formalising complexity theory
Date: Monday, 26 October 2026 at 17:58
To: aiai-members AT inf.ed.ac.uk <aiai-members AT inf.ed.ac.uk>; LFCS Interest <lfcs-interest AT mlist.is.ed.ac.uk>; 'inf-ianc-talks AT mlist.is.ed.ac.uk' <inf-ianc-talks AT mlist.is.ed.ac.uk>; inf-dreamers AT mlist.is.ed.ac.uk <inf-dreamers AT mlist.is.ed.ac.uk>
Cc: Andras.Salamon AT st-andrews.ac.uk <Andras.Salamon AT st-andrews.ac.uk>; Alan Bundy <A.Bundy AT ed.ac.uk>
Subject: Joint AIAI-DReaM seminar: Mon 2 Nov 2pm - Andras Salamon on formalising complexity theory
Hi,
on Monday 2nd November 2-3pm there will be a joint AIAI & DReaM group seminar in Informatics Forum MF2 and online.
(If you are unfamiliar with the DReaM group, see the end of this announcement)
Title: Formalising the time hierarchy theorems in Isabelle/HOL with LLMs
Speaker: András Salamon. School of Computer Science, St Andrews.
Abstract:
"It remains an open problem, how to [formalise] complexity theory without dying in the details" Yannick Forster, Simons Institute, April 2025
During 2026 our team completed proofs of the deterministic and nondeterministic time hierarchy theorems in Isabelle/HOL, using extensive LLM proof engineering assistance; the latter proof is new and was designed to ease formalisation and further extensions. These results say that access to only slightly more time allows strictly larger classes of languages to be recognised. The tedious Turing machine instruction tracing required for the "obvious" parts of these theorems (usually omitted as "easy") leads to large proofs. Along the way we formalised building blocks such as linear speedup, alphabet reduction, and tape reduction theorems. I will report on tools we developed and progress on refactoring the completed project with unused code identification and higher-order anti-unification, which have so far reduced the 320,000 lines of Isabelle by 10%. Alphabet enlargement (covering linear speedup) and reduction are now in the Archive of Formal Proofs, and the hierarchy results are being prepared for submission.
Microsoft Teams meeting
Meeting ID: 326 874 708 661 926 1
Passcode: dM9QV2Wp
FYI DReaM stands for Discovery and Reasoning in Mathematics. It is the name of a research group that Alan Bundy started after arriving at the University of Edinburgh in 1971. You can read about its history at
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-77879-8_1
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Re: Joint AIAI-DReaM seminar: Mon 2 Nov 2pm - Andras Salamon on formalising complexity theory,
Paul Jackson, 11/02/2026
- Re: Joint AIAI-DReaM seminar: Mon 2 Nov 2pm - Andras Salamon on formalising complexity theory, Paul Jackson, 11/02/2026
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